Patrick H.'s Comments
People on here were asking for more mature tv shows. I know these have probably been discussed to death, and are no longer in circulation, but you can get them on DVD.
1.) I have to Start with Gargoyles, from Disney. The cartoon ran as a kids show back in 1995-1997, as a three season series. The story involves gargoyles who were betrayed to a viking clan and put under a spell for a thousand years. They wake up in 1995 Manhattan, befriend a detective on the police force, live with a genius IQ millionaire with evil intentions, and generally try to cope with the new world they arrive in. While it sounds like a crappy typical saturday morning pitch, the show deals with some major and even heartbreaking issues. The first season has the detective being shot, and shows her in crutches for the next few episodes. Evil characters become good, while good characters turn evil. The gargoyles relive moments and enemies from their 900 A.D. Scottish past. Magic, merlin, Shakespeare, mythology, and time travel are all excellently blended in. All of it can be traced back to one point in time when one character in the series made one mistake and changed the history of the gargoyles forever. Currently, the series is attempting a comeback. You can still purchase the DVD's for it on amazon.com, and the original creator of the series is making canon comic books out from slave labor graphics now. If you like Star Trek tng, most of the actors have a role in this series as well. Definitely worth a peek at at least season 1.
2.) Batman - The Animated Series. A gorgeous cartoon that is considered by many to be the definitive Batman experience. Kevin Conroy plays a perfect Batman/Bruce Wayne, while Mark Hammil (Yes, Luke) supplies a brilliantly insane and sadistic Joker as his rival. This show is famous for creating the Joker's Sidekick Harley Quinn, as well as its beautiful and dark Gotham city. This one is done more as a saturday cartoon, i.e. most episodes are viewed as independant stories. Some villains (notably harvey dent and poison ivy) do have continuing story arcs throughout the series. The Episode arc invovling Robin won an emmy.
3.) Justice League Unlimited, Volume 1. The Justice League has developed many new enemies and everyone has teamed up together to outdo the other. This is the sequel series to Batman The animated series above, and Also Superman The Animated Series released around the same time. The same actors reprise their roles here. The most notable bit about this season is the "Cadmus" story arc, in which the government views the super Heroes as threats to national security. Great stories, amazing arcs, tons of fan service with DC comic characters, and still fun for people not familiar with them. You learn alot about Green Arrow and Black Canary, as well as Supergirl and Batman. I loved this series almost as much as I loved Gargoyles, and I knew almost nothing about them.
There's three mature, well thought out series for adults. It was intended for kids, but the evolved story lines and characters really resonate with adults. The most powerful of all tv scenes I've seen is in Gargoyles. Season 2, City of Stone, Part 4. The three weird sisters of Shakespeare attempt to thwart the plans of an evil gargoyle. 4:15 min into this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i9O88LSw-4&NR=1. It speaks to the exact core of this show, the meaning and what they try to show. It lacks a bit of the punch if you don't know the characters history, but if you just watch this you can get a good idea of what Disney tried to do when they made it. If you must see just one clip of gargoyles, make it that one!
1.) I have to Start with Gargoyles, from Disney. The cartoon ran as a kids show back in 1995-1997, as a three season series. The story involves gargoyles who were betrayed to a viking clan and put under a spell for a thousand years. They wake up in 1995 Manhattan, befriend a detective on the police force, live with a genius IQ millionaire with evil intentions, and generally try to cope with the new world they arrive in. While it sounds like a crappy typical saturday morning pitch, the show deals with some major and even heartbreaking issues. The first season has the detective being shot, and shows her in crutches for the next few episodes. Evil characters become good, while good characters turn evil. The gargoyles relive moments and enemies from their 900 A.D. Scottish past. Magic, merlin, Shakespeare, mythology, and time travel are all excellently blended in. All of it can be traced back to one point in time when one character in the series made one mistake and changed the history of the gargoyles forever. Currently, the series is attempting a comeback. You can still purchase the DVD's for it on amazon.com, and the original creator of the series is making canon comic books out from slave labor graphics now. If you like Star Trek tng, most of the actors have a role in this series as well. Definitely worth a peek at at least season 1.
2.) Batman - The Animated Series. A gorgeous cartoon that is considered by many to be the definitive Batman experience. Kevin Conroy plays a perfect Batman/Bruce Wayne, while Mark Hammil (Yes, Luke) supplies a brilliantly insane and sadistic Joker as his rival. This show is famous for creating the Joker's Sidekick Harley Quinn, as well as its beautiful and dark Gotham city. This one is done more as a saturday cartoon, i.e. most episodes are viewed as independant stories. Some villains (notably harvey dent and poison ivy) do have continuing story arcs throughout the series. The Episode arc invovling Robin won an emmy.
3.) Justice League Unlimited, Volume 1. The Justice League has developed many new enemies and everyone has teamed up together to outdo the other. This is the sequel series to Batman The animated series above, and Also Superman The Animated Series released around the same time. The same actors reprise their roles here. The most notable bit about this season is the "Cadmus" story arc, in which the government views the super Heroes as threats to national security. Great stories, amazing arcs, tons of fan service with DC comic characters, and still fun for people not familiar with them. You learn alot about Green Arrow and Black Canary, as well as Supergirl and Batman. I loved this series almost as much as I loved Gargoyles, and I knew almost nothing about them.
There's three mature, well thought out series for adults. It was intended for kids, but the evolved story lines and characters really resonate with adults. The most powerful of all tv scenes I've seen is in Gargoyles. Season 2, City of Stone, Part 4. The three weird sisters of Shakespeare attempt to thwart the plans of an evil gargoyle. 4:15 min into this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i9O88LSw-4&NR=1. It speaks to the exact core of this show, the meaning and what they try to show. It lacks a bit of the punch if you don't know the characters history, but if you just watch this you can get a good idea of what Disney tried to do when they made it. If you must see just one clip of gargoyles, make it that one!
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Interesting stories do come out of this though. Some girls got pissed when guys started photographing them. Another girl got mad when some guy said "Aren't you going to take your top off?" Or there's supposedly one stand where they just put stars over the inappropriate areas and its okay because they're covered..
Problem is these places do well. If people want sexually stimulated coffee, let them. If you don't like it, go to McDonald's, because their mcafe is cheap as hell, and the workers keep their clothes on.