The worst part is that EVERYBODY at the office, at the cafe, etc. offers you some sort of participation (an office 10th, or a smaller part in other people's 10th, like for example a participation in the number of your colleagues' son soccer team, etc.) And the ads for it may start as soon as October!
@Alex: while most of us understand you (probably because most of us have gone through similar problems than yours in the past), I've yet to find something that can't be done with CSS. Probably, the vertical alignment you mentioned is one of the trickiest, but completely doable.
But what bothers most of us about Neatorama using tables is not that it may have problems while rendered on a browser or if it's indexed by a search engine, but that it fails to separate content from presentation.
I repeat: if you like tables to position your content you can easily turn all your content to tables using CSS. You can turn inline elements to block elements and viceversa, and assign any element table like properties, making a semantic desing behave like a table desing (and taking advantage of table's strenghts.)
This is not an argument about table vs. tableless design, but more about separating or not separating content from presentation.
If you separate your content from your presentation, and then you learn a little about, for example, XSLT, you'll realize how easy it is to manipulate your content if you decide in the future to change from, say, Wordpress to another blog software, or if you want to offer a printable version, or a PDF file of your content, or, as other people mentioned, a version for a different client or gadget.
The nice thing about XHTML + CSS is that it allows you to do ALL that you previously did with HTML (and table design) plus much, much more.
And when you finally 'get' tableless design, you realize how fast, efficient, flexible and clean it is, and you can't believe how obnoxious table desing is and why you didn't abandoned it before.
And finally: don't take this too personally. If we criticize the site is because we really like it and we care about ir, and as professional web designers we want the best for it. I hope you understand us.
There's no complex design for CSS, just bad web designers with little knowledge of standards... (In fact, you can do exactly the same with table or tableless design, since you can convert any element to a table or a cell with CSS if you wish.) Really, you should be ashamed. To comply with standards is pretty easy to do. :-P (I do AA Conformance level WCAG design on a daily basis and it's not difficult, to be honest.) And your readers, specially those with disabilities, will thank you for the effort.
How long until somebody does a "Carmen Sandiego" game using Google maps? Or is there one already? Hang on, I'll google it. . . . Yes, there's one: http://www.brewsterjennings.com/
I don't know if this is a hoax or not, but this "story" is... three years old!!! It was reported on february 27th, 2004. You'll have to do a search on the archives for this one.
There's a blog for the Optimus development: http://community.livejournal.com/optimus_project/ You can check there if it finally becomes a real product...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcha_Real#Lyrics
Liberty fries, anyone?
And the ads for it may start as soon as October!
But what bothers most of us about Neatorama using tables is not that it may have problems while rendered on a browser or if it's indexed by a search engine, but that it fails to separate content from presentation.
I repeat: if you like tables to position your content you can easily turn all your content to tables using CSS. You can turn inline elements to block elements and viceversa, and assign any element table like properties, making a semantic desing behave like a table desing (and taking advantage of table's strenghts.)
This is not an argument about table vs. tableless design, but more about separating or not separating content from presentation.
If you separate your content from your presentation, and then you learn a little about, for example, XSLT, you'll realize how easy it is to manipulate your content if you decide in the future to change from, say, Wordpress to another blog software, or if you want to offer a printable version, or a PDF file of your content, or, as other people mentioned, a version for a different client or gadget.
The nice thing about XHTML + CSS is that it allows you to do ALL that you previously did with HTML (and table design) plus much, much more.
And when you finally 'get' tableless design, you realize how fast, efficient, flexible and clean it is, and you can't believe how obnoxious table desing is and why you didn't abandoned it before.
And finally: don't take this too personally. If we criticize the site is because we really like it and we care about ir, and as professional web designers we want the best for it. I hope you understand us.
Kind regards.
(In fact, you can do exactly the same with table or tableless design, since you can convert any element to a table or a cell with CSS if you wish.)
Really, you should be ashamed. To comply with standards is pretty easy to do. :-P (I do AA Conformance level WCAG design on a daily basis and it's not difficult, to be honest.)
And your readers, specially those with disabilities, will thank you for the effort.
Or is there one already?
Hang on, I'll google it.
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Yes, there's one: http://www.brewsterjennings.com/
It was reported on february 27th, 2004. You'll have to do a search on the archives for this one.
You can check there if it finally becomes a real product...