Italian Scientist Reproduces Shroud of Turin

It has been one of the 20th century's most intriguing artifacts, a shroud measuring 14 feet, 4 inches by 3 feet, 7 inches, with what appears to be an imprint of Jesus Christ.  The so called Shroud of Turin shows an image of the front and back of a man with long hair, with arms crossed in front, and what appears to be blood from wounds in the side, hands, and feet.

In 1988, carbon dating tests showed the shroud to date between 1260 and 1390 AD, proving a setback for the believers in its authenticity.  Now, according to an Italian scientist, he was able to reproduce the image, undoubtedly proving that the Shroud of Turin was a clever reproduction.

"We have shown that is possible to reproduce something which has the same characteristics as the Shroud," Luigi Garlaschelli, who is due to illustrate the results at a conference on the para-normal this weekend in northern Italy, said on Monday.

A professor of organic chemistry at the University of Pavia, Garlaschelli made available to Reuters the paper he will deliver and the accompanying comparative photographs.

Garlaschelli reproduced the full-sized shroud using materials and techniques that were available in the middle ages.

They placed a linen sheet flat over a volunteer and then rubbed it with a pigment containing traces of acid. A mask was used for the face.

The pigment was then artificially aged by heating the cloth in an oven and washing it, a process which removed it from the surface but left a fuzzy, half-tone image similar to that on the Shroud. He believes the pigment on the original Shroud faded naturally over the centuries.

They then added blood stains, burn holes, scorches and water stains to achieve the final effect.

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I attended a MENSA lecture by a professor of physics who'd had a chance to physically study the Shroud decades ago, and (while I can't remember the details) he seemed pretty convinced that the carbon dating that had been done at that time (mid-1990s) didn't actually disprove that the Shroud could have been around in the early CE days.

I don't "believe" in the Shroud myself, but I know there are intelligent, educated people who do.
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What amazes me is that there still are educated -MENSA- people who just chose to ignore the correspondence and the history of the early beginnings of the Shroud that just tells how it came into being- Te need for a "Holy Relic" that could generate a new destiny of pilgrimage hence cash and fame.
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They went about it all wrong. They should have buried it somewhere, then "disovered" it. The second shroud would then throw the original shroud into doubt, plus they could make a few bucks.

Don't scientists know how to fake anything right?
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Kind of reminds me of the high school project of making something look like an old treasure map by running a used tea bag over a sheet of paper, then burning the edges with a candle. I'm sure I could have added blood too, but that would have disturbed the teacher and result in me getting heavy guidance counselling. Not that this guy’s display is going to prove anything to believers, it really doesn’t matter how much evidence there is if it conflicts with their faith.
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Just looking at the face shows it is a fake. When Jesus was walking around on Earth, Jewish men had short hair and were clean-shaven. Since Jesus was Jewish (biologically half-Jewish) and lived as a Jew, He, too, would have been clean shaven and had short hair.

Yes, there was a sect of Jewish men that did not cut their hair, but they were dedicating their life to God--Jesus was a carpenter before He did is preaching.
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Please let's be rational about the shroud. One of the major issues with the shroud was the carbon dating which had orignally placed the shroud in the 13th century. This initial dating proved to be erroneous. The sample taken reflected a later added weave which was used to preserve the cloth. Additionally a second sample used gave the carbon date of the 1st century. It become clear that if both samples are to be accepted as accurate the oldest in time is controlling. Of more important note is the weave which was indicative of 1st century palestine, as are the pollen samples, the coins in the eyes. The physiology of the body is far beyond what the medieval ages could do let alone antiquity. Additionally the mere fact that the shroud could be replicated has no bearing whatsoever on it's authenticity. That is like saying because I can make a reproduction of the dagger that killed Julius Ceasar that the fact somehow helps establish that ceasar was never killed. No one is forcing you to belief but if you chose not to believe at least use your god given reason, this is so even if you don't acknowledge the one who gave it to you. The greater fraud is the reproduction not the original.
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Dear Lady Handbasket,
The story of the shroud of Turin to my knowledge is as follows:

The first consistent and without doubt to this cloth connectable refence is from 1357 when the cloth was displayed in Lirey, France. Bishop Henry the Poities had spoken with an artist who confessed in making the cloth on request of a servant of Geoffroy de Charny, Lord of Savoisy and Lirey. Geoffroy was known to be in need of revenues (cash), so he did what was done more often during that time- He arranged a holy artifact to be made to generate modernly said- tourism to his part of the woods.

As far as I know, there is writing on this between Pierre d'Arcis and pope Clement. The Bishop of Troyes around the 1370's-80's was firmly convinced that the cloth was fake after he and his team had spoken to several people who had been involved in the scam. The research and documents lie in the Vatican.

The artist used what knowledge he had at that time and he did hid with the materials he had at that time. Nothing more, nothing less. All the tests on the materials so far have shown dating around the time of fiorst appearance, so that correlates.
The man portrayed on the cloth is with a hairdo like how people thought Jesus would have looked back then- With long hair, mustache and beard. That was a hairdothat came into fashion in Europe since the Great Migrations at the end of the Roman Western Empire. Yet like Another Tim already brings up- It is highly unlikely that Jesus would look like that, because that was not how men looked over there at that time, with stricter rules of appearance than nowadays and with different hairgrow on the men in that region.
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How many "official" shrouds of Turin are currently in circulation, I heard there was about 7 of them. Is there a one true shroud, or are they best through of as Schrödinger’s shrouds perhaps?
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At the United States Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colorado is a well known chapel. Downstairs, on the southern end was located the findings of the people examning the shroud in great detail. I suggest you check it out if you are close by.
If it is real or not has not been proven yet. This experiment must include the same evaluation as the other shroud. Results the same, then the shroud is fake.
Just because you can duplicate something does not mean that you have a clone. I demand more before putting this to rest.
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This shroud-thing is becoming funnily just like crop-circles:

Both items have folks who not only say they can duplicate them- both items have people who testify that they are the ones who are the makers.

And in both cases there's a whole load of people who refuse thos testimonies and keep saying Nó that is not you who did that because we just knów that humans cannot make them: That is Divine-Non-terrestrial-Non-Human!!!

Uhhhhhhhh..........
....Am I missing something here? Or are they.....?

:-D
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@mare

That argument sounds like one of those people defending that the pyramids were made by aliens, because people back then we're not as advanced as we are today. Chances are, people didn't try this experiment way back when for fear of becoming ostracised for doing so, or imprisoned for committing heresy. It's just very recently where Italian's have been speaking out against the papacy without repercussions.
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It didn't take 750 years. At fist it took about 30 years. Then some 700 years nothing was done except that most officials said that no research could be done.
And then from 1898 that first reverse photograph was made. And then it went about silent for some 90 years again. Finally from 1988 on, science came "on line" because the Church finally gave uneasy access to the cloth.

Not 750 years- At best and stretched to breaking point in this interpretation over all that time- some 70-80 years.
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Well, it really didn't take that long to reproduce it, though, did it? I mean, these scientists probably spent a year or two in the actual work, and that was just to reproduce the shroud in a condition similar to how the medieval artists created it. If they were to produce a shroud on its own without having to copy, presumably they could have done it more quickly.

This shroud is as bogus as all the pieces of the true cross or the bones of the apostles that are in so many churches and private hands. Stuff like this brings down criticism on Christians as gullible fools. The Virgin Mary appeared on my toast this morning!

It's okay for a Christian to accept the fact that the shroud of Turin is a fake. And also to accept the fact that medieval artists could paint lifelike pictures. Sheesh!
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i am always amazed at how thrilled folks are in being able to "reproduce" an artifact ... as though that discredits the original. reproduction is ... well ... a forgery, nothing more.
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What do we learn in art school? Metal shop? Wood shop? and all the other shops there for us to learn how to reproduce various objects.... Yet you are right about the thrill about reproducing an artifact or even what people see... I think I see , no it is swamp gas.
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